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		<title>Jeff Veen Talks Future of Typekit</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Republished from Carsonified&#8217;s Think Vitamin) A fan of irony, an odd news item grabbed my attention, &#8220;The University of Wisconsin at Green Bay is swapping Arial for Century Gothic for their email system. It is believed that students will save ink when they print their emails. Readers politely posted that this is yet another reason to switch to &#8220;Garamond&#8221; and debate ensued, and then this guy sketched popular fonts on a wall and measured the ink left in the pen! [...]]]></description>
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<p>A fan of irony, an odd  news item grabbed my attention, &#8220;The University of Wisconsin at  Green Bay is <a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hxYdUmrxaBDpCplWZdQgyOKE7nOgD9ELP2M80" target="_blank" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hxYdUmrxaBDpCplWZdQgyOKE7nOgD9ELP2M80?referer=');">swapping Arial for  Century Gothic</a> for  their email system. It is believed that students will save ink when they  print their emails.</p>
<p>Readers politely posted that this is yet another  reason to switch to &#8220;Garamond&#8221; and debate ensued, and then this guy  <a href="http://www.matthewrobinson.co.uk/projects/measuring-type/" target="_blank" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.matthewrobinson.co.uk/projects/measuring-type/?referer=');">sketched popular  fonts on a wall</a> and  measured the ink left in the pen!</p>
<p>Web fonts, cheeky controversy, and constant innovation abound online and offline! Candidly speaking, web fonts, became a hell of a lot more interesting over the past year with <a href="http://www.typekit.com" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.typekit.com?referer=');">Typekit&#8217;s</a> release. In fact, Typekit has proven itself a web design game-changer both in business and in rendered page.</p>
<p><img style="border: 1px solid #999;" src="http://img.skitch.com/20100406-kip56as1j79s7ee8de164m7b8u.png" alt="Matt Hamm ~ Web designer &amp; illustrator - Guildford, Surrey, UK_1270568610608" width="470" height="328" /></p>
<p><span style="color: #808080;">Matt Hamm recently upgraded to Typekit on his site <a href="http://www.matthamm.com/" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.matthamm.com/?referer=');">www.matthamm.com</a>. Discovered via <a href="http://twitter.com/dribbble" target="_blank" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/twitter.com/dribbble?referer=');">@dribbble </a>on <a href="http://dribbble.com/players/matthamm" target="_blank" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/dribbble.com/players/matthamm?referer=');">Matts&#8217; page</a></span></p>
<p><span id="more-819"></span>Typekit, a product and business eco-system that blew by the bureaucracy of type vendors agreeing on universal licensing and browsers deciding on what fonts to support, and rapidly and forever changed web design in both beautiful and controversial ways.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re well beyond the hype of Typekit&#8217;s rollout, the web is full of love letters, lessons, and licensing debates, so I caught up with <a href="http://www.veen.com/jeff/index.html" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.veen.com/jeff/index.html?referer=');">Jeff Veen</a> (Co-founder of <a href="http://smallbatchinc.com/" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/smallbatchinc.com/?referer=');">Small Batch Inc</a>, the company behind Typekit) to  take inventory of some Typekit&#8217;s greatest effects:</p>
<ul>
<li>Licensing</li>
<li>Web  standards</li>
<li>Web font design</li>
<li>Individual challenge of  web designers to learn more about type</li>
<li>The Typekit ecosystem  &amp; API</li>
</ul>
<h3>Licensing? Subscribing to a Constant  Soundtrack</h3>
<p>A day before I  was scheduled to speak with Jeff, Jeffery Zeldman published a  great post about Typekit, <em><a id="ddft" title="&quot;My Love Hate Relationship With Type Kit.&quot;" href="http://www.zeldman.com/2010/03/22/my-lovehate-affair-with-typekit/" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.zeldman.com/2010/03/22/my-lovehate-affair-with-typekit/?referer=');">&#8220;<span style="font-style: normal;">My  Love Hate Relationship With Typekit&#8221;</span></a></em> <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">(Dammit.</span>) Of licensing, he writes:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I have mixed feelings about their  product because I’d rather buy a web-licensed font than rent it &#8230;. But  a one-time font purchase as a line item in a design budget is easier to  explain and sell to a client than an ongoing rental charge.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://twitter.com/zeldman" target="_blank" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/twitter.com/zeldman?referer=');">@Zeldman</a> does a great job exploring issues of licensing v. owning, and I&#8217;d rather encourage you to <a href="http://www.zeldman.com/2010/03/22/my-lovehate-affair-with-typekit/" target="_blank" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.zeldman.com/2010/03/22/my-lovehate-affair-with-typekit/?referer=');">read his words</a> than attempt to resummarize his succinct poetry in my prose. I did, however, bring <a href="http://twitter.com/zeldman" target="_blank" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/twitter.com/zeldman?referer=');">@Zeldman&#8217;s</a> timely post up with Jeff, who explained that he believes Typekit&#8217;s model isn&#8217;t about a &#8220;rent v. buy&#8221; proposition.</p>
<p>Typekit, like Spotify, and many other service businesses living in the cloud, is a professional hosted service. Instead of a constant soundtrack of music and lyrics, users have a constant stream of licensed fonts.</p>
<p>As for the issues around explaining an ongoing licensing fee, Jeff admits that he and the Typekit team are continuing to work on ways to help designers do a better job of explaining this proposition.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Fonts, like stock photography, hosting  services, among others, are now part of the subscription service assets  that are expected to be packaged as a part of a web build.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><img style="border: 1px solid #999;" src="http://img.skitch.com/20100406-g7jxxgjd4ch91h3chu3uik9mgb.png" alt="myles-grant-2" width="470" height="156" /></p>
<p><span style="color: #888888;"><a href="http://www.tinyspeck.com" target="_blank" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.tinyspeck.com?referer=');">Tiny Speck&#8217;s</a> Myles Grant (non-designer friendly example!) <a href="http://www.mylesgrant.com/" target="_blank" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.mylesgrant.com/?referer=');">www.mylesgrant.com</a>. Discovered via <a href="http://twitter.com/dribbble" target="_blank" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/twitter.com/dribbble?referer=');">@dribbble </a>on <a href="http://dribbble.com/players/myles" target="_blank" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/dribbble.com/players/myles?referer=');">Myles&#8217;  page</a></span></p>
<h3>Skirting Web Standards or Towing the  Line?</h3>
<p><strong> </strong>Standards  are ingrained in design and design philosophy, it&#8217;s understandable then  to question how a product that requires a paid subscription might not  fully compliment a designer who seeks to practice standards compliant  design. Jeff explains:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Typekit uses 100%  standards compliant markup, style, and script. We&#8217;ve built a service  that sits along side web standards, helping designers and developers  focus on creative solutions rather than workarounds and hacks, no matter  how bullet-proof they are.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;It’s a similar solution to how  many people use jQuery hosted on Google’s servers now. Everyone who  includes the link in their page automatically has the latest stable  version, properly minified and gzipped, served from data centers around  the world.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<h3>What Has Changed in Web Font Design?</h3>
<p>If we really look at what Typekit has done, released fonts and  challenged web design and web designers to go beyond the defaults I wondered what&#8217;s been the most surprising effect Jeff had seen in web font design  (e.g. more designers, new fonts, new businesses, developer/engineers?)</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;We&#8217;ve  been most surprised by the overwhelming hunger there is for good web  typography. I suppose it shouldn&#8217;t be a surprise &#8212; web designers have  been waiting for a more diverse range of fonts for over a decade.</p>
<p>But  the rate at which both @font-face and services like ours have taken off  has been fantastic. And the new design work people are doing is so  beautiful. It really feels like this is the year when webfonts tip into  the mainstream.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><img style="border: 1px solid#999;" src="http://img.skitch.com/20100406-bnjurjwa5kmu4fk4u1mfhqw8yt.png" alt="glyph-map" width="470" height="366" /></p>
<p><span style="color: #888888;"><a href="http://typekit.com" target="_blank" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/typekit.com?referer=');">Typekit&#8217;s </a>own type manager Tim Brown <a href="http://www.tbrown.org" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.tbrown.org?referer=');">www.tbrown.org </a><br />
Discovered via <a href="http://twitter.com/dribbble" target="_blank" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/twitter.com/dribbble?referer=');">@dribbble </a>on <a href="http://dribbble.com/players/timbrown" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/dribbble.com/players/timbrown?referer=');">Tims&#8217; page</a></span></p>
<h3>Web  Designers Learning More About Type</h3>
<p>A great challenge for getting more web  designers to use Typekit, is the learning curve, not the learning curve  for using the tool itself, but to go beyond the default and create  awesome design that utilizes creative web fonts. Additionally, there is  the added task of explaining to clients and companies fees associated  with embedded fonts and Typekit.</p>
<p>Perhaps the best way to illustrate the former point,  is to simply let a new Typekit user speak for herself:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I read about Typekit last November, but  not being very CSS-skilled I (wrongly)  supposed that the implementation was somehow quirky . . . . in just ten  minutes I completely replaced the bland Arial I used in my blog with  Museo Sans by Jos Buivenga!&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Other designs  provide some beautiful examples of how emerging web fonts can create  awesome experiences:</p>
<ul>
<li><a id="d_yn" title="Ben Bodien" href="http://benbodien.info/" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/benbodien.info/?referer=');">Ben Bodien</a> with <a href="http://www.fontshop.com/fonts/downloads/fontfont/ff_enzo_ot/" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.fontshop.com/fonts/downloads/fontfont/ff_enzo_ot/?referer=');">FF Enzo</a></li>
<li><a id="vwp0" title="Lift UX" href="http://liftux.com/" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/liftux.com/?referer=');">Lift UX</a> with <a href="http://www.fontshop.com/fontlist/families/ff_dagny_ot/" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.fontshop.com/fontlist/families/ff_dagny_ot/?referer=');">FF Dagny</a></li>
<li><a id="c_3h" title="Simplebits" href="http://simplebits.com/" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/simplebits.com/?referer=');">Dan Cederholm’s Simplebits</a> with <a href="http://metaserif.com/" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/metaserif.com/?referer=');">FF  Meta Serif</a> and a <a href="http://www.fontshop.com/fontlist/staff_picks/swash_ampersands/" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.fontshop.com/fontlist/staff_picks/swash_ampersands/?referer=');">Baskerville  ampersand</a></li>
</ul>
<p>(Personally, I&#8217;m excited  about the possibility of using Typekit to conduct ongoing A/B testing  with web fonts.)</p>
<h3>Things  the Typekit Team are Tackling</h3>
<ul>
<li><strong>Size</strong> &#8211; Building  out the library by adding new fonts every  week to a selection of over 800 families now.</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li><strong>Teaching</strong> &#8211; designers how to best convey the cost of an ongoing licensing fee and  making type designers more comfortable with the model and the  technology. Imagine all the new fonts this will generate?</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li><strong>Affiliate  Incentives</strong> &#8211; Creating a model where designers can possibly make  money by using, create a situation where designers usingTypekit with  their clients are rewarded for that Typekit with their clients. Design  assets, stock photography</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li><strong>API</strong> &#8211; Developing awesome  APIs for the developer community to both get engineers more excited  about web fonts and build beautiful apps that will expand, surprise, and  delight the community.</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li><strong>CMS</strong> &#8211; Integrating with  all kinds of CMSs from personal blogs (read Leah Culver&#8217;s <a href="http://blog.leahculver.com/2010/02/typekit-fonts-on-typepad.html" target="_blank" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/blog.leahculver.com/2010/02/typekit-fonts-on-typepad.html?referer=');">Typekit with  Typepad</a>) to custom enterprise builds.</li>
</ul>
<h3>Q&amp;A With Jeffrey Veen</h3>
<p><strong>Q: Designers have been able to embed fonts  since CSS2, so what were some of the things that made 2009 the right  climate to found this model and business?</strong></p>
<p>Definitely cloud computing. These days  we&#8217;re putting a lot of things in the cloud. We carefully watched how  companies were using Cloud services, and it occurred to us &#8211; couldn&#8217;t  this happen with web fonts as well?  Connecting the dots was pretty  easy!</p>
<p><strong>Q: Can you talk a little bit about the  user research that went into Typekit?</strong></p>
<p>Typekit would be an entirely different  product if user research hadn&#8217;t been at its core during initial and  ongoing development. In fact, we spent weeks talking to both type  designers and web designers before we wrote a line of code.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve  always felt user research is necessary to make great products. So we  listened to the hopes, needs, and fears from the foundaries just as  closely as we listened to the hopes, needs, and fears of web designers.</p>
<p>For example, type designers were rightly concerned about their fonts  simply becoming freely available on the web. But web designers also had  questions about things like how to explain recurring fees to their  clients?</p>
<p><strong>Q: What has  surprised you about the development of Typekit?</strong></p>
<p>It has to be the  overwhelming excitement that users share on Twitter and in their blogs,  and the speed at which our user-base on both sides has grown.  I start my days by spending an hour  reading feedback shared by users on Twitter, via email, and on blogs,  answering as many questions as possible. It&#8217;s an amazing way to stay  connected with our users.</p>
<p><strong>Q: Tell me a little about the audience  you were building for, and how that&#8217;s helped with your product  development and uptake?</strong></p>
<p>The team building Typekit has been designing  and developing for the web since it started &#8212; personally, I got started  in 1994. So we&#8217;ve been connected to the community of designers and  developers for years.</p>
<p>So not only is Typekit designed for an audience we  know very well, it&#8217;s also a tool we want to see exist in the world.  We&#8217;re as fanatic about using Typekit as we are about building it. I  think it really shows in the user experience we&#8217;ve created.</p>
<p><strong>Q:  How has transparency in your product development process helped? (both  for font producers and consumers)</strong></p>
<p>Web fonts  are a relatively new technology, and there really aren&#8217;t best practices  for designing with a wide variety of type yet. Not only that, but the  technology itself is shifting every day &#8212; browser support increases and  gets more mature, operating systems render fonts in a variety of ways,  and the font formats themselves are changing. So we are constantly  iterating Typekit to keep up with all this change and help designers figure out how to be successful.</p>
<p>We didn&#8217;t think taking a wait-and-see  approach would be beneficial, considering how fast things move. Instead,  we&#8217;ve been learning in public and upgrading things as quickly as we  possibly can.</p>
<p><strong>Q: Can you share any insight into what your  planning for an API and developer ecosystem?</strong></p>
<p>We&#8217;re working on an API right now that will allow full  typographical control regardless of how developers wish to integrate  webfonts into their workflow. Many users build websites via content  management systems or via existing themes and frameworks.</p>
<p>And while the  Typekit web app is really intuitive and powerful, there are times when  you don&#8217;t want to switch to a browser-based app to update your web  design. With an API, you&#8217;ll be able to control which fonts you use, how  they&#8217;re applied to your markup, and more, all from within your  development environment.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re  also developing more hooks into how browsers handle webfonts and  rendering. We&#8217;re just about to release our font loading events, which  will let you apply different styles or Javascript based on whether a  font is still loading, has loaded already, or isn&#8217;t loading because an  older browser doesn&#8217;t support <a href="http://twitter.com/font-face" target="_blank" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/twitter.com/font-face?referer=');">@font-face</a>. This gives a lot of control  over how your page or web app behaves with the fonts, and that&#8217;s a very  powerful thing.</p>
<p>Huge thanks to Jeff! If you&#8217;re interest is peaked and you&#8217;re ready to learn more, read Keir&#8217;s article <a href="http://carsonified.com/blog/design/fonts/getting-started-with-typekit/" target="_blank" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/carsonified.com/blog/design/fonts/getting-started-with-typekit/?referer=');">Getting Started With Typekit!</a></p>
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